energy earnings are down 20%, 23% or so. that's a large portion of the decline we see. >> because all prices fell so much. >> that's correct. >> if you take energy out, do you get positive earnings? if you remove apple from the s&p 500, things aren't that good. i'm not an eternal optimist. i think this is all perfectly fair. >> is the economy getting worse? is it getting worse? >> yes, yes, yes. it's getting worse. absolutely getting worse. >> 7.8%. >> look, worldwide, larry, the velocity of money is dead. >> what does that mean in. >> there's no turnover. this unemployment number that the optimists hailed at great at 7.8% lifted by part-time workers. >> no one said it's great. this is important to both of you since you are both in this camp with respect to the federal reserve. you can make the case -- i don't want to get too wonky and bore our viewers, but you can make the case that the federal reserve by doing what it's doing is simply offsetting the decline in monetary velocity. if they hadn't done this, but -- >> you're